Legislature(2007 - 2008)

05/14/2007 01:26 PM Senate FIN


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1:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 128(JUD)                                                                                            
     "An Act relating to the  sale, distribution, and purchase of                                                               
     alcoholic  beverages;  relating  to  a  state  database  for                                                               
     records  of   certain  purchases  of   alcoholic  beverages;                                                               
     relating to  the relocation of  a license to  sell alcoholic                                                               
     beverages;   relating  to   procedures   for  local   option                                                               
     elections for control of  alcoholic beverages; and providing                                                               
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was  the first hearing for  this bill in the  Senate Finance                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:45:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  expressed  intent   to  move  this  bill  from                                                               
Committee unless issues arose that  could not be addressed during                                                               
this meeting.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:45:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson offered  a motion to adopt CS  SB 128, 25-LS0742\K,                                                               
as a working document.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Without  objection  the  committee  substitute  Version  "K"  was                                                               
ADOPTED.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:46:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson, sponsor  of  the bill,  emphasized  the issue  of                                                               
alcoholism   in  Alaska,   especially   in   rural  areas.   This                                                               
legislation  was   created  in  cooperation  with   the  affected                                                               
departments  to  ensure that  the  databases  it would  establish                                                               
would  not  interfere  with  normal  commercial  transactions  of                                                               
alcohol and distribution to communities  in which alcohol had not                                                               
been banned or restricted.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:47:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GINNY AUSTERMAN, Staff to Senator  Olson, read testimony into the                                                               
record as follows.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     SB  128  came about  at  the  urging  of the  Rural  Justice                                                               
     Commission.  This legislation  is  an integral  part of  the                                                               
     effort  to regulate  the  sale,  distribution, purchase  and                                                               
     shipment  of  alcoholic  beverages into  damp  local  option                                                               
     communities within the state of Alaska.                                                                                    
     It puts  in place a  requirement for the  Alcoholic Beverage                                                               
     Control [ABC] Board  to create and maintain  a database that                                                               
     contains up  to date  information related to  written orders                                                               
     for alcohol shipped to the  writer of the order. The package                                                               
     store licensee  must consult the  database prior  to filling                                                               
     each order.                                                                                                                
     Currently   AS  04.11.150(g)   regulates   the  amounts   of                                                               
     alcoholic beverages  to residents of local  option areas. SB
     128  requires  that the  package  store  licensee, agent  or                                                               
     employee  access the  database to  determine the  amounts of                                                               
     alcoholic  beverages already  ordered by  an individual.  It                                                               
     also  requires that  the date  and amount  of the  new order                                                               
     will be immediately added to the database.                                                                                 
     This  database will  adversely  impact  the importation  and                                                               
     sale of  alcoholic beverages into rural  Alaskan communities                                                               
     by  bootleggers. The  information  in the  database will  be                                                               
     accessible only to package stores  and law enforcement. None                                                               
     of the information would be available to the public.                                                                       
     SB 128 also  contains a provision to correct  an omission in                                                               
     State  law  relative  to the  transfer  of  liquor  licenses                                                               
     between  an  organized  borough   and  communities  in  that                                                               
     borough. Many  communities across the state  have used their                                                               
     allotment of  liquor licenses while  their borough  has not.                                                               
     Boroughs  may now  transfer alcoholic  beverage licenses  to                                                               
     those communities.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:48:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Austerman then read a sectional analysis into the record as                                                                 
follows.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 1 and 2 speak to  the requirements of the ABC Board                                                               
     to create and  maintain a database to keep  track of written                                                               
     orders  for  alcohol from  persons  residing  in damp  local                                                               
     option   communities.  It   clearly  states   to  whom   the                                                               
     information in  the database is available.  They describe in                                                               
     detail  the  steps  for  licensees   to  record  and  review                                                               
     information in the database and  make failure to comply with                                                               
     the requirements a class B misdemeanor.                                                                                    
     Section 3  limits the shipping  of alcohol in response  to a                                                               
     written  order to  the address  of the  person ordering  the                                                               
     alcohol unless that  person lives in an area  where there is                                                               
     a community delivery site.                                                                                                 
     Sections  4  and 5  allow  for  the relocation  of  existing                                                               
     liquor  licenses  within  a   borough.  Such  relocation  of                                                               
     licenses is limited  to not more than three  in each decade.                                                               
     "Decade" means  each ten  year period  beginning April  1 in                                                               
     the year ending in "0".                                                                                                    
     Sections 6, 7, 11, 12  and 13 prohibits reselling of alcohol                                                               
     in  violation  of  the  local option  and  changes  such  an                                                               
     offense from a  class C felony to a class  A misdemeanor and                                                               
     makes purchase of  alcohol in violation of  the local option                                                               
     a class A misdemeanor.                                                                                                     
     These sections  also include  conforming amendments  for the                                                               
     new provisions in Sections 7 and 12.                                                                                       
     Section 8 extends  the period after a local  option has been                                                               
     adopted from 12 to 24 months  before an election may be held                                                               
     to  remove  the  option  or  change the  option  to  a  less                                                               
     restrictive alternative.  It also  provides for  an election                                                               
     to remove or  make the option less restrictive once  in a 36                                                               
     month period. Currently that period is 18 months.                                                                          
     Section  9 prohibits  a person  from  purchasing alcohol  by                                                               
     written order on  behalf of another person who  resides in a                                                               
     local option  community and  makes the  violation a  class A                                                               
     misdemeanor.                                                                                                               
     Section 10  prohibits a  person in a  dry local  option area                                                               
     from possessing ingredients or  equipment with the intention                                                               
     of making home brew. This violation  would also be a class A                                                               
     misdemeanor.                                                                                                               
     Sections  14   and  15   amend  forfeiture   provisions  for                                                               
     violations of  AS 04.11.499 to include  the alcohol purchase                                                               
     from  a bootlegger  in violation  of  the community's  local                                                               
     option. Forfeiture  of an airplane  or other vehicle  is not                                                               
     allowed.                                                                                                                   
     Section 16 allows  the ABC Board to  establish pilot alcohol                                                               
     delivery sites  in Bethel and  Kotzebue. Once  opened, these                                                               
     sites would operate for a period of three years.                                                                           
     Sections 17  through 22 include instructions  to the Revisor                                                               
     of statutes and effective dates.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TALIS  COLBERG, Attorney  General, Department  of Law,  testified                                                               
that  for  the   past  three  years  the   Alaska  Rural  Justice                                                               
Commission  had  been  undertaking  efforts  cumulating  in  this                                                               
legislation.  The  Commission  was  established  by  the  federal                                                               
Department  of  Justice  and involved  many  people  and  various                                                               
groups  and organizations.  This legislation  has the  support of                                                               
affected communities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:52:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  asked if  the Department  of Law  supports this                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:52:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Colberg   reported  that  the  Department   participated  in                                                               
preparing this bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:53:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas noted  that the language of  Section 5, pertaining                                                               
to relocation  of a license  for a "restaurant, eating  place, or                                                               
hotel,  motel,  resort  or  similar   business  that  contains  a                                                               
restaurant  or  eating place",  made  no  reference to  bars.  He                                                               
presumed  that  this  provision would  apply  to  an  established                                                               
business that was seeking to obtain a beverage license.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Colberg  confirmed that a  qualifying business would  have an                                                               
existing beverage dispensing license associated with it.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:54:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas next clarified that  the definition of "decade" in                                                               
Section 5,  as "each 10-year period  beginning April 1 in  a year                                                               
ending  in zero",  meant that  the relocation  of licenses  could                                                               
occur  in a  year  only if  zero transfers  had  occurred in  the                                                               
previous year.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:54:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Austerman corrected  that the  definition was  of the  years                                                               
2010,  2020, 2030,  etc.,  and  pertained to  the  year in  which                                                               
transfers would  be allowed rather  than the number  of transfers                                                               
allowed. Three transfers would be  allowed each decade. Once this                                                               
maximum  had been  reached, no  more transfers  would be  allowed                                                               
until the following decade began.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:55:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   asked  the   sponsor  whether   the  proposed                                                               
prohibition  of   ingredients  or  equipment  utilized   for  the                                                               
creation of  alcoholic beverages, i.e. homebrew,  by residents of                                                               
a community that has banned alcohol was necessary.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson described  the sugar,  artificial sugar,  malt and                                                               
yeast  used to  make  homebrew. All  these  ingredients with  the                                                               
exception of malt  could be utilized for purposes  other than the                                                               
creation  of  alcohol and  therefore  intent  to create  homebrew                                                               
would  be  necessary  to  be in  violation  of  the  prohibition.                                                               
However in  his experience,  many people  who make  homebrew have                                                               
the intent to do so.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:56:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Austerman furthered  that  Co-Chair  Hoffman's question  was                                                               
raised   in  a   committee   that   previously  considered   this                                                               
legislation. It was concluded that  a person in possession of the                                                               
aforementioned ingredients  who did  not intend to  make homebrew                                                               
would be less likely to  also possess bottles and other equipment                                                               
necessary to make the alcohol.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:57:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Colberg  acknowledged that intent is  difficult to determine.                                                               
Many people possess the necessary ingredients.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:57:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Elton cited  the "fine line" dividing  intent and action.                                                               
He asked the substantive difference in this situation.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:58:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Colberg  agreed the distinction  was ambiguous,  but stressed                                                               
that the  homebrew issues  in these  communities was  serious and                                                               
widespread.  The   primary  problem   was  the  absence   of  law                                                               
enforcement. If  a person or persons  were not caught in  the act                                                               
of preparing  homebrew, intent could  possibly be  identified and                                                               
the proposed provision implemented.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:59:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  found irony in  the Alaska Supreme  Court ruling                                                               
pertaining to  the amount  of marijuana a  person was  allowed to                                                               
posses  and  that this  provision  would  ban the  possession  of                                                               
ingredients  to  allow  a  person  to  make  blueberry  wine.  He                                                               
supported  and defended  communities' right  to chose  to ban  or                                                               
restrict alcohol, but wanted his comments noted.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:00:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  commented that  homebrew could  be made  with only                                                               
sugar,  yeast, and  raisins, and  that  all equipment  associated                                                               
with the production was not necessary.  The issue was the need to                                                               
provide law enforcement "teeth"  to address blatant violations in                                                               
communities that  had voted to  be "dry". The situation  was "out                                                               
of control" and worsening.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:01:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Huggins  agreed, but noted  that the court could  place a                                                               
limit  on the  amount of  sugar and  other items  a person  could                                                               
posses.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:01:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  agreed and  shared that he  operates a  store from                                                               
his  home  and  stocks  sizable quantities  of  sugar  and  other                                                               
homebrew ingredients.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CASEY REYNOLDS,  Economic Development  Planner, City  of Wasilla,                                                               
testified via  teleconference from  an offnet location,  that the                                                               
provision  in this  bill  relating to  the  relocation of  liquor                                                               
licenses  was   proposed  at  the   request  of  his   and  other                                                               
communities.   Current  restrictions   hamper  the   ability  for                                                               
communities  to grow  economically.  Many  communities serve  not                                                               
only its residents but also  those residing outside its boundary.                                                               
However the number of licenses  a community is permitted is based                                                               
only on the population within the boundary.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Reynolds  stressed that  the relocation  would only  apply to                                                               
restaurants and  would not  include bars  or package  stores. The                                                               
flexibility  is requested  to allow  for additional  restaurants.                                                               
The number of licenses would not increase                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:04:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG   GRIFFIN,  Director,   Alcohol   Beverage  Control   Board,                                                               
testified  via  teleconference from  an  offnet  location to  the                                                               
licensing issue.  Mr. Reynolds  was correct  in saying  that more                                                               
licenses  would not  be  issued, but  instead  the allocation  of                                                               
licenses would be adjusted.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Griffin  explained that  the fiscal  note reflected  the best                                                               
estimate of the  cost to establish and administer  a database for                                                               
package stores to track sales of  alcohol destined to dry or damp                                                               
communities.  The   fiscal  note   does  not   include  financial                                                               
estimates  to   establish  and  administer  the   pilot  projects                                                               
described  in Section  16 that  would  be located  at Bethel  and                                                               
Kotzebue.  If those  communities  elected to  participate in  the                                                               
project,  the  cost  would  be   significant  and  would  include                                                               
building space,  security and staffing.  Some of the  costs could                                                               
be  recovered with  user  fees, but  start-up  expenses would  be                                                               
substantial. He  was unsure if  the municipalities  would support                                                               
having the  ABC Board operate  the facilities as a  State entity.                                                               
He   preferred   that  the   facilities   be   overseen  by   the                                                               
municipalities.  However, he  understood that  this option  might                                                               
not be possible due to "political reasons".                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:07:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman established  that fiscal  note #2  superseded a                                                               
fiscal note dated March 2007.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:07:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Griffin affirmed  and explained that the  initial fiscal note                                                               
listed the  costs as  indeterminate. An effort  was then  made to                                                               
estimate the actual costs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:08:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  commented that  the amount  was larger  than he                                                               
had expected.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:08:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  spoke of separate  legislation from  a previous                                                               
Legislature  requiring the  labeling  of  alcohol transported  to                                                               
"damp" communities  with restricted  alcohol allowances.  A court                                                               
ruling disallowed such labeling and  he asked whether the statute                                                               
must be changed to reflect this.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:09:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Griffin  indicated he  would consult  with the  Department of                                                               
Law on this matter. He opined  to the importance of retaining the                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:09:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  established  that   no  further  testimony  or                                                               
questions were forthcoming.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:10:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman offered  a  motion  to report  CS  SB 128,  25-                                                               
LS0742\K,  from  Committee  with individual  recommendations  and                                                               
accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There was  no objection  and CS  SB 128  (FIN) was  REPORTED FROM                                                               
COMMITTEE with  fiscal note #2  for $317,500 from  the Department                                                               
of Public Safety, and zero fiscal  note #3 from the Department of                                                               
Law.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
RECESS 2:10:52 PM / 6:20:06 PM                                                                                              

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